Well, both men and women are paying a price already when people are nervous and afraid for different reasons. I don't think people would have less sex if they were a bit more shy when meeting someone new. Instead I think the market would be more equalized. Now the pushy men take huge market shares. It's no good when sexual pushiness is t…
Well, both men and women are paying a price already when people are nervous and afraid for different reasons. I don't think people would have less sex if they were a bit more shy when meeting someone new. Instead I think the market would be more equalized. Now the pushy men take huge market shares. It's no good when sexual pushiness is the only way to express desire.
But you are right that the idea is useless if all or most women expect casual sex. There has to be a change of culture where both sexes know the rules. If women don't know that the patient guys are patient because they are high-quality, then they will just be suspected of not desiring their date. Not good for anyone.
Patriarchy in the sense of the rules you mention that used to exist which have not since liberation, for example. You say there has to be a change of culture yet put all of the onus on men. Even if all of the onus is to be on men to restore patriarchy, if wouldn't be in the manner you describe.
Then I think that voluntary patriarchy super light could be a good idea. And I really don't think it is possible without the participation of both sexes. People of both sexes need to give something up. If women don't agree that it is a good idea to postpone sex for a few weeks, then the suggestion would be completely pointless.
Is this the idea (expressed in the manosphere?) that readily available contraception allows females to costlessly indulge their appetite for sex with high status males?
Or is it an expression of a high female sex skew at some USA university campuses putting males in to the high value/high demand side. ie where the in-demand males can set the terms of the engagement?
I'm actually more curious why (In NZ) fewer young men and women are in relationships or having casual (nonrelationship) sex than say 20 years ago.
Well, both men and women are paying a price already when people are nervous and afraid for different reasons. I don't think people would have less sex if they were a bit more shy when meeting someone new. Instead I think the market would be more equalized. Now the pushy men take huge market shares. It's no good when sexual pushiness is the only way to express desire.
But you are right that the idea is useless if all or most women expect casual sex. There has to be a change of culture where both sexes know the rules. If women don't know that the patient guys are patient because they are high-quality, then they will just be suspected of not desiring their date. Not good for anyone.
What is patriarchy in this context?
Patriarchy in the sense of the rules you mention that used to exist which have not since liberation, for example. You say there has to be a change of culture yet put all of the onus on men. Even if all of the onus is to be on men to restore patriarchy, if wouldn't be in the manner you describe.
Then I think that voluntary patriarchy super light could be a good idea. And I really don't think it is possible without the participation of both sexes. People of both sexes need to give something up. If women don't agree that it is a good idea to postpone sex for a few weeks, then the suggestion would be completely pointless.
What else can men (the bulk of men, not the few men all the women would prefer if they had their druthers) give up?
Difficult question. You mean in general? Then I say computer games. That was high on my wish list for a partner at least.
"all or most women expect casual sex"
Is this the idea (expressed in the manosphere?) that readily available contraception allows females to costlessly indulge their appetite for sex with high status males?
Or is it an expression of a high female sex skew at some USA university campuses putting males in to the high value/high demand side. ie where the in-demand males can set the terms of the engagement?
I'm actually more curious why (In NZ) fewer young men and women are in relationships or having casual (nonrelationship) sex than say 20 years ago.