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tragic world's avatar

I really enjoy your writing and am very glad I found your work.

It’s rare that I comment on Substack, but I lived in the Middle East, speak some Arabic, and have many friends from the region (especially the Gulf), so I thought it might be useful to chip in (I apologize if it’s redundant).

Many of the things you describe are certainly real and terrible. However, I think there is definitely some sampling bias here. The mere fact that you were alone with a man is partly a taboo break. I can’t cite any statistics (I doubt any real study has been done to try and quantify this), but a non-trivial portion of the male population in these societies would deliberately avoid being alone with a woman precisely because it is understood as sexual and inappropriate.

Hence, those men who didn’t sort themselves out of being one-on-one with you (even if it was just the two of you walking down the street, not necessarily alone in a room) would have been those who were already open to being in a culturally sexual context with you.

This is of course a direct result of exactly the norms you mention, but I think it’s important to note that many Arab men are not just latently waiting to sexually harass women (and that’s expressed by avoiding solo interaction).

It seems to me that at its root, “guardianship” is partly a response to a lack of state capacity (as you’ve alluded to). Women are vulnerable to attack by men. If there is a centralized state with a reliable police force, some deterrence is established. In its absence, one way to protect them is for a family to require that they be with a male guardian.

Of course, it is obviously not all benevolent. Guardianship is also a way for a family to ensure that a woman pairs with a mate they approve of, regardless of her interests. The honor killing is a family’s attempt to enforce that power, as (again) without a centralized state, it is more necessary to enforce social norms (desirable or otherwise) directly.

In the case of rape, the problem here is that under such norms, it is expected that a woman avoid any setting in which they are alone with a non-mahram man. Consequently, not doing so is taken a sign that she is potentially sexually interested.

This is also why there may have been some sampling bias in your case. You were engaging in what would in the West be perfectly normal behavior, but signals something different under these norms. Even sitting in the front rather than the back of a taxi as a woman alone may send the wrong message.

Because of this, the family may blame the woman for her breach of honor (even though she did not consent to the sex itself), because they may perceive her as being at fault for “attracting the wrong kind of attention.” That is, by not more scrupulously restricting herself to the company of mahram men. The idea that wearing “immodest” clothing invites harassment is related to this.

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Piotr Pachota's avatar

Great analysis. A few thoughts:

1. From what I heard (I don't have any sources, it's just a stereotype), arabic men treat western women entirely differently than arabic women, so you cannot infer a general theory of how arabic men treat women based on how they treated you. Then again, maybe the difference was that for them, a western woman is like the woman with no father or brothers to look out for her in the Yanomamo tribe, and this is why they have no problem with groping her.

2. Linking sexual self control with things like 'honor' and 'self respect' in western cultures has in some cases gone to far and resulted in men struggling with women and becoming incels. This is something the pickup artists tried to counteract (FYI I covered it in my recent post here: https://transhumanista4all.substack.com/p/confessions-of-a-pickup-artist-pt )

3. Your mention of the Yanomamo and Maduzai beating and hurting their women reminds me a lot of Rob Henderson's recent note about chimpanzees beating their females: https://substack.com/@robkhenderson/note/c-57975912 . This sort of explains where all of this violence originates from. Advances in anthropology make it seem like we are actually very close to our closest animal cousins.

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