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Kryptogal (Kate, if you like)'s avatar

This would not work in the US because our healthcare and retirement is both tied to full time employment (meaning 35 hrs per week). If you aren't working full time you get no benefits, in fact many employers very much love having part time employees specifically so they can get out of paying for their employee's benefits. And if you have a family with children, you really need that health coverage and it is the most expensive in the world here. Bernie Sanders' call for Medicare for All aside, changing our horrifically expensive employment-based health insurance system would be virtually impossible because the whole healthcare industry (one of the largest and wealthiest in the country) would oppose it.

Second, there's a much better example than the Amish you can look to: the Mormons. They also compete to have the most kids. And they do it while ALSO competing to have the best car, best house, best yard, most successful kids, and everything else. If that's really what you're aiming for, I'll tell you how they do it (I've lived in Utah for 20 years so I'm very familiar with how it works). First, you go to church every single week plus an extra day in a church related service group so that's at least two days per week on church activities every week your whole life. Plus they have a "family home night" that everyone follows. Second, you pound it into their heads, over and over,bat every church meeting that family and having kids is the entire point of life. There is basically no other point. If you can't have kids, you adopt. If you can, you have as many as you can afford. Your reward for this is that in heaven you get to have your own world that you populate as gods and have literally MILLIONS of children. And then you give out high status church positions only to families with lots of kids. And high status positions then help you also increase your economic well-being because it's basically a stamp of approval and gets you an in with am instant network of customers and clients and business contacts. You heavily promote gender roles and an expectation that father's provide and women mother and you don't allow same sex marriage.

That's what they do, and it has worked quite well. Everyone is trying to be like Mitt Romney...succeasful, good lookingm rich family with 5 kids and 20 grandkids. But even the Mormons are starting to fall short and native born LDS are having far fewer kids than they did a generation ago. Utah still has more children than any other state in the US, by far, but our population growth is now flat or declining if not for immigration. Because 20 years ago almost everyone here was Mormon and that's no longer the case. Outsiders like me moved in, the internet happened, and what used to be a homogenous insular community is not, any longer.

So, that's what it takes. Not a mild expression of family promotion and values, but a fairly hegemonic repeated pounding into their heads several times a week their entire lives and an insular community where everything is set up to promote that model. But it's really not even sustainable. The Mormons I work with who are over 40 all have a minimum of 3 kids and some have 6 or 7. But those younger usually have 2. A few have 3. And people like me...childless and married, or married with 1 kid, have moved here in droves and we seem to be impacting them way more than the other way around. Not that it's purposeful...I actually enjoyed benefiting from the abundance of kids because it used to keep prices lower and kept workplaces more relaxed and family friendly and less work obsessed.

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Elle's avatar

This is very true.

Another approach is letting two parents do one job. For example, let's say I'm good at writing and spouse is good at math. Why can't we partition a back-office job that requires both, and collaborate, for the same compensation (or more, if more productive)? This is hard within the framework of current labor regulation and regulation around additional benefits. But it would be nice.

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