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Yehoshua's avatar

As an Ultra-Orthodox Jew, I find your essays fascinating. Sometimes it's hard for me to believe that it isn't "one of us" writing.

I do agree that culture is the primary factor, and your essays explain it very well. In fact, for us Orthodox Jews children are very expensive. We pay for the school in private schools. We pay for their weddings and often continue to support them after their weddings. Most of us live in areas where housing is expensive, and a large family needs a large house. These are just some of the expenses we incur in keeping our children sheltered.

I felt a comment on this thread was very accurate in explaining that the key is encouraging our children to be mothers at a young age. In our culture a parent feels that it is their responsibility to marry off their children in their early 20s, even if it costs them a lot. All close male-female relationships outside of marriage and preparation for marriage are banned, so naturally young people feel the need to marry. After marriage we allow for birth control (though we strongly encourage having as many children as possible), but only after a couple has at least one son and one daughter.

I believe that most people who live in a culture that revolves around raising children feel that it is the most fulfilling life and develop a strong desire to have many children.

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Piotr Pachota's avatar

It's a classic collective action problem - if everyone stopped "Thinking of the children", the society would be better off and fertility would rise. However, if only YOU stop thinking of YOUR children, you are putting your child at risk of falling behind all other children who are well "thought of" and cared for by their parents. Everybody wants SOMEONE to fix the society, but it's natural not to risk your own children's future for the cause.

I'm in the Camp Culture as well, though I think it's less about meaning and more about status. People have few children because status is elsewhere. In traditional societies, the relationship between status and fertility was a virtuous cycle: high status -> better changes of survival & reproduction -> more children -> even more status. Now, people can have lots of sex without reproduction thanks to contraception.Traditional ways of signalling elite status such as conspicuous acquisition and consumption of goods and services and leisure activities (Veblen's Leisure Class theory) have become available to the working and middle classes forming the bulk of the society (this is where Rob Henderson's luxury belief theory originated from). Since having children stands in the way of status games popular in the society, having a lot of them is associated with low status.

A good analysis of how status seeking lowering fertility is an evolutionary mismatch: https://akjournals.com/view/journals/2055/aop/article-10.1556-2055.2022.00028/article-10.1556-2055.2022.00028.xml

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