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Yet another Wood From Eden post that makes me *extremely* grateful to be a 21st century human from a developed country. I feel like there is a trend among learned folk to harshly criticize modern cultural practices (late stage capitalism!) and for some to opine for a return to primitivism (degrowth?). I get the sense that those people have not studied what primitive, premodern life actually looks like, and therefore cannot appreciate what a magical thing "capitalism" is in its ability to break us free from basic scarcity, and of the vast scale of injustice and depravity that would occur otherwise.

Such commonality of ritual killing makes me think of the child murder scene from The Giver. The shock and revulsion that comes from realizing the nature of the crime taking place against another human. I wonder if the Ache and other infanticidal societies knew truly what death means, or if they subscribed heavily to some "true world theory" that made death a less than huge deal.

In general I feel always a bit iffy about human evolutionary claims based on studying more "modern" hunter gatherer tribes. I wonder if there weren't confounding selection or environmental pressures that led to the tribal peoples that we can find today (or in the 1980s) to take on particular societal forms that were less common during our bulk evolution, (the 200k years or so on the savannah/in east africa when we developed our more complex communication and cultural abilities). Do you have any thoughts on this? Do you think that it is fair to make inferences about the "evolutionary setup" for human evolution based on modern-day primitive tribes?

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Very interesting post. I hadn't really considered these kinds of gender dynamics much before, but they do seem like they they probably were a major feature of primitive societies.

One question I have about this theory though is:

I can see why the tribe as a whole might want more males than female children. But since military protection is a public good (i.e. something that's provide by the group as a whole and benefits everyone in the group), and individual families benefit equally from having either male or female children in terms of reproductive success (expected fitness has to balance between males and females, right), isn't their a collective action problem? If a family has already invested resources raising a female child, they're not going to want to waste that investment even if it would be better for the tribe as a whole to invest the resources in male children.

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