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Wow, I didn't realize you were as involved with AstralCodexTen as that! I do read it regularly and bring some of the ideas into work. But at the same time, my own attitude towards the rationalist movement is far more muted - it's very obviously a clique, they very obviously aren't clear thinkers, and I never comment there because I don't accept any of the core passions. My sense is that they really, really care about certain issues (like AI risk) and aren't interested in hearing ideas or counterarguments that originate from outside of their shared frame of reference. For a while I tried posting at r/TheMotte, but pretty quickly learned that they don't understand the world except through the lens of the rationalist movement. Oh well - they're young!

When the rationalist movement is examined as a group, it's very easy to see the familiar human craziness popping up there. You're right, people tend to focus on their own world and overinflate its importance. And you're right, people have tended to believe the End is Nigh for thousands of years. Rationalists moved on from the Bible with the Book of Revelations; now they have Nick Bostrom and his bestselling Superintelligence. And yes, questioning the dogma of the group does have the flavor of an attack on leaders and a threat to the group.

But for all that, I do think that there is a strong case to be made about the danger of AI dragging the world into a horrible singularity: "Sure, the chance for out-of-control AI gaining power over humanity is far out. It might happen at all. But if it does, the worst case scenario is world-ending." The simple fact is that it pays to have more concern for existential risk than ordinary risks. So while I dislike being categorized alongside Scott Alexander, Eliezer Yudkowsky, or other self-styled rationalists, I do have to bite the bullet and agree with them that AI risk is one of the foremost threats against humanity.

Really, there just aren't that many threats against humanity that we could list. Drug abuse, war in Ukraine, and child hunger may be real problems, but they aren't threats against humanity. As you and Anders have pointed out, global warming is a thing, but not THAT much of a thing. The only actual threats to humanity that I can think of are 1. Attention from unfriendly and incredibly advanced extraterrestrials, 2. Something I prefer not to talk about online (sorry), and 3. the discovery and deployment of a technology with unforeseen consequences. And who are we kidding, right now #3 kind of means "AI."

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Your second set of bullet points is numbered 1 and 2 when I think you want 3 and 4.

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