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Tove K's avatar

I think one of the most interesting aspects of Israeli demography is its sex ratio among newborns. 105 boys are born for every 100 girls. That is very normal, even a bit low. There have been persistent theories that the orthodox Jewish pattern of sexual relations result in more male offspring https://archive.nytimes.com/opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2006/06/14/is-it-really-all-in-the-timing/

The Israeli official numbers contradict that theory. By now there are so many Haredi newborns so if they were disproportionately male, that would show up in official statistics. And it doesn't.

Nate R's avatar

I'm an American Jew and I've been living in Israel for a little more than a decade. I think this is basically right. I'd just like to add a few observations:

1) Pride in children's accomplishments is a really big thing in Jewish culture, definitely in the eastern European Jewish culture I grew up in but as near as I can tell it's just as big among Middle Eastern Jews. People talk a lot about how their kids are doing, what their kids are up to, how they get along with their kids, etc., even more so than the typical parent in America. Not having children is considered really tragic, and abandoning or neglecting your child is just considered monstrous beyond belief. Arguably, Israeli Jews have just preserved this culture that they brought with them, while American Jews have assimilated into the norms of broader American culture.

2) From what I can tell, a dead-beat dad in Israel, even one living in a low socio-economic status environment, has very few dating prospects. A parent who is estranged from their children is seen as an object of pity but also of horror and maybe fear—someone probably best to steer clear from, because they are not a normal human being. Likewise, children are expected to support elderly parents, financially if needed but also by being very actively involved in their care. Anyone who fails to do this is generally seen as a bad person who it's best to steer clear of.

3) There are a lot of pro-natal aspects of the way the economy and society are structured that may not show up in formal laws or statistics. For example, during school vacations, it's fairly normal for a parent to bring a child to work if they don't have any other child care arrangement. You'll see a kid in the corner drawing, reading, or playing on a phone in the middle of the office. There's no law that says this is OK, and some companies forbid it, but it seems relatively common. Likewise, there's a more understanding attitude towards employees leaving early to pick up a kid from school, or that kind of thing.

4) The theory of Haredi influence is interesting and original, I have not heard it before. Generally speaking, secular Israelis would be loath to acknowledge such an influence. But I think there may be something to it. The Haredi political parties are very focused on advancing policies that support families, especially those with large children, and I suspect some of these may be unconventional in nature and not show up in direct comparisons with other countries—like subsidized summer camps and various after-school programs, which Haredi parties pushed but which in the end probably end up subsidizing more camps for secular kids than for Haredi kids. I suspect the influence is less individual couples looking at the Haredim and saying "let's do that," and more that the presence of so many large families means that a lot of parks, bus routes, and other kinds of public infrastructure need to be set up in a way that takes the convenience of large families in mind.

But I also agree with comments here questioning whether "secular" means the same thing in Israel as in other countries. Many people in Israel are not strictly Orthodox but they in fact participate regularly in religious rituals, whether private ones like reading psalms daily or public ones like attending Torah classes and discussion groups. From what I understand of it, religious life in Israel is much less bureaucratized and more bottom-up than what you see in Europe. There isn't a centralized bureaucracy assigning Rabbis or controlling synagogues, it's fairly standard to have a neighborhood synagogue that is just run by lay members and funded by donations, an informal Torah study group that meets in someone's house once a week, or a local charity initiative that is religiously-based but has no formal organization behind it. Often, participants in these kind of activities are proud to be part of it, but don't feel pressure to start keeping the Sabbath or otherwise adopting strictly Orthodox practice. The upshot is that there is more faith and also a lot more faith-based community building going on than you might think from reading that most Israelis are "secular."

5) There is a long-standing theory that says Israelis have more children because of the fear of losing a child in war. I suppose this won't stand up if you compare Israel empirically to other conflict zones. But I do think somehow there is a sense here that children are more worth putting your time and energy into than anything else. I think it's probably also related to having a population that's mostly made up of recent descendants of refugees. So many people have a mom or a grandpa who they saw growing up, who had education, money, and social status in Iran or Poland or Russia or Germany, and then had to move suddenly to Israel, and then all they really had was their family. The idea of being old and childless just strikes Israelis as sad and even scary, in a way that I think it might not for people living in a society that's had more long-term stability. On the other hand, Germany has seen a lot of instability too, and yet they don't have so many children. So I agree with you Anders, this is still kind of mysterious.

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