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As a software engineer who works from home, sometimes I try to get my kids interested in my job. But by default it seems completely incomprehensible to them, they can’t participate in any way or understand what’s going on. Kids can start learning these concepts but I honestly don’t even remember how the basics are taught. It seems like more and more jobs are complicated enough that you can’t just learn them directly from your parents.

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I love David Lancy and his ideas are part of my parenting paradigm, but as you note at the end, once you get into abstract skills that cannot simply be copied, you need school. Tahitians didn't learn to travel between remote islands by copying; they had navigation school. Aztecs went to school as well. It is also true that universal school was a response to child labor laws, and high school is a lame equivalent of "manhood" camp; an attempt to keep teenagers busy and therefore less destructive.

I think our way of raising children in Western society -- by talking to them a lot and playing with small children -- has ruined their ability to learn by observation. At least, my older two are incapable of this. To be fair, they spent their toddler and early-school years in a "neurodiverse" brain fog, so maybe they missed the window for developing that skills. When I say "watch and learn" they simply cannot. They even struggle with the idea of giving something more than a few seconds of attention before asking for help. I'm pretty sure their education (and my own alacrity to attend to their problems) has ruined them this way. And when the skill in question is something like tying one's own shoelaces, there's a limit to how long you can wait for them to figure it out.

I tried the "Hunt Gather Parent" thing with them, but they lost interest in helping about as soon as they became functionally capable of being helpful. As you note, this sort of upbringing enables lazy males. I think it's very telling that every example given in "Hunt Gather Parent" of a child (over the age of 5) being helpful is a girl. Boys need to be actively and forcibly civilized, either by the hierarchy, the patriarchy, or aggressive parenting. There's a reason these same indigenous societies have manhood rituals. The closest equivalent we have here is Boy Scouts.

I also do not understand how you are getting most of your work done with a 4yo helping. My 4yo insists on doing everything with me, as a result I cannot get anything done with him around. He is the single most destructive force in my garden, well-ahead of the squirrels and cabbage moth worms. He single-handedly wiped out my entire set of spinach starts by helpfully watering them into oblivion one day when I wasn't around. If I'm painting the kitchen, he doesn't want to just watch, he wants to paint, and he is a stubborn one. As a result, I find myself sending him away more often than I really want to. Please share your secrets.

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